Meeting of the Isle of Anglesey County Council |
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Minutes of the meeting held on 16th September, 2008 |
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The meeting was opened by a prayer offered by Councillor Gwilym O.Jones |
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North Wales Fire and Rescue Service (2:00pm - 2:20pm) |
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A presentation was received by Mr. Richard Fairhead, Senior Fire Safety Manager, North Wales Fire and Rescue Service on the promotion of fire safety for people who live and visit Anglesey. Details were provided as to the number of accidental fire deaths since 2001 by financial year, the contributory factors, other agency involvement, what the Fire Authority were doing to combat the problem and how this Council could assist in joint working. |
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Also in attendance were Messrs.Neal Gallagher and Gareth Griffiths on behalf of the Fire and Rescue Service. |
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Members were thereafter provided with a question and answer opportunity. |
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The Chairperson thanked the representatives of the Fire and Rescue Service for their detailed and informative presentation and stated that this Council would do its utmost to assist the Service in its work in this respect. |
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The Chairperson stated that on 5th September, 2008, Mr.Byron Williams, the Council’s Director of Housing and Social Services passed away. Following a short period of illness he died peacefully in the presence of his family. |
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Councillor H.E.Jones enquired that if the Executive did not accept its own recommendation in the Improvement Plan that the schools Rationalisation Strategy would not be completed by December, then when would it be completed by? |
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Councillor E. G. Davies, Portfolio Holder, in reply stated that the consultation process with communities would begin in October and hopefully be completed by Easter. |
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Councillor H. E. Jones expected therefore that the reference at Page 20 of the Improvement Plan would be changed to reflect the statement of the Portfolio Holder. Secondly, on page 25 of the Plan, he welcomed the fact that additional staff would be appointed to the Property Section, but queried as to why the Council required consultants to complete the Asset Management Plan and when would the Plan be completed? |
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Councillor E. Schofield in reply thanked Councillor Jones for the acknowledgement that additional staff were required in the Section to continue this work. This was one of the biggest risk areas within the Authority and since the Job Evaluation process had not yet been completed, the Council required outside help to progress this work. |
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Lastly, Councillor H. E. Jones stated that the Improvement Plan was an opportunity to review priorities and the Council’s vision. He requested the Leader to inform the Council of any new priorities so that they could be included in the Plan. |
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The Leader in reply stated that the new Executive had adopted work from the previous period and he confirmed that the new Executive would have it’s own priorities. |
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Councillor W. J. Chorlton asked the Economic Portfolio Holder what he was doing personally to ensure that Wylfa B came to the Island? |
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Councillor B. Owen, Portfolio Holder in reply stated that this Council was supportive of Wylfa ‘B’ and that support was still there. The Executive were lobbying Ministers to make an early decision in this respect. |
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RESOLVED to endorse the recommendation of the Executive and that Authority be given to the Head of Service (Policy) in consultation with the Leader and Portfolio Member for Performance to finalise the Plan by the deadline of 31st October, 2008. |
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Councillor C. L. Everett wished to congratulate the Executive in this instance because he felt it was the right decision to take. In the previous Council it was difficult for the Opposition to call any Executive decisions in. That had changed now, for the greater good of the Council at the end of the day. |
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Councillor H. E. Jones and W. J. Chorlton thanked the Director of Legal Services / Monitoring Officer for her work on this matter and the Executive for its wise decision. |
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RESOLVED to endorse the Executive’s decision in this respect. |
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(c) DELEGATION TO THE HEAD OF SERVICE (ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT) |
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(i) Submitted - A report by the Solicitor to the Monitoring Officer. |
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(ii) Reported - That the Executive upon consideration of the above at its meeting on 8th September, 2008, had resolved as follows:- |
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“to recommend to the County Council to revise the Constitution by changing to the delegated power of the Economic Development - Head of Service at 3.5.3.2.3 and inserting the following clause - |
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to submit applications for funding from European Union sources on behalf of all departments within the Council and ensure the most benefits to Anglesey therefrom and through all European Union and other external funding programme applications, to engage in joint project development either acting as a lead sponsor or project partner.” |
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The Director of Legal Services / Monitoring Officer stated that the recommendation on Page 2 of the report contained two elements. The first element was changing the scheme of delegation to reflect the change in terminology from Objective One funding to convergence funding. That proposal did not materially change the delegated powers to the Head of Service and it was recommended by Officers and the Executive. The second part of the recommendation did extend the Head of Services’ delegated powers and enables her to engage in joint projects, including joint projects with overseas countries. The extended delegated was agreed in principle by Officers and by the Executive. However, there was one point of difference, namely that the Director of Legal Services / Monitoring Officer and the Director of Finance recommended that the Council did not exercise these powers without the prior agreement of the Section 151 Officer and the Monitoring Officer. They requested that this caveat be included so that financial and legal issues would be identified early on and addressed as part of the negotiation process before significant expense was occurred and time wasted. |
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The Executive, however, took a different approach and the view that the proposal should be adopted as it stood without the caveat on the basis that the responsibility always rested with the Head of Service to decide when and if financial and legal consultation was required. |
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Councillor Bryan Owen, Portfolio Holder, proposed that the Council accept the Executive’s recommendation to withdraw the condition of “subject to the approval of the Section 151 Officer and the Monitoring Officer.” Councillor C. McGregor seconded the proposal. |
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(Councillor R. Ll. Hughes and G. O. Parry,MBE wished it to be minuted that they had abstained from voting on this matter). |
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RESOLVED to endorse the recommendation of the Executive in this respect. |
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(ch) PLANNING DEPARTURE NOTICES |
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(i) Submitted - A joint report by the Head of Service (Planning), Managing Director and the Director of Legal Services/Monitoring Officer. |
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(ii) Reported - That the Executive upon consideration of the above at its meeting on 8th September, 2008, had resolved as follows:- |
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“to recommend to the County Council that it makes the changes proposed to the Constitution in Appendix 2 of the 18 September 2007 report permanent.” |
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Councillor H. W. Thomas stated that this was introduced in September last year as a 12 month trial period. He considered it would be unwise to read too much into the precise figures. True the number of departures had fallen in this time, but it was equally true that the number of planning applications had fallen in the last 12 months. He felt that to make this permanent would be a mistake and the Council should revert to a 12 month trial period of having departures back for call-in by members of the Planning Committee and then for the Council to compare the two twelve month periods. The proposal was seconded by Councillor Raymond Jones. |
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The Head of Development Control pointed out to Council that in his professional opinion it would be unwise and a retrograde step for the Council to revert back to the position prior to the Council decision of 18th September, 2007. |
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Councillor H. E .Jones stated that this was not policy throughout Wales and other Authorities did not prevent Members from calling-in departures. |
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The amendment by Councillor H. W. Thomas was put to the vote and it was lost. |
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(Councillor B. Durkin wished it to be minuted that he had abstained from voting on this matter). |
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RESOLVED to endorse the recommendation of the Executive that it makes the changes proposed to the Constitution in Appendix 2 of the 18th September, 2007 report permanent. |
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(Councillor O.Glyn Jones, Vice-Chair took this item) |
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Submitted for information - A report by the Corporate Director (Education & Leisure) in accordance with Paragraph 4.5.16.10 of the Constitution as to why in this case the call-in procedure was not applicable at the Executive meeting on 7th July, 2008. |
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Councillor H. E. Jones asked the Portfolio Holder as to whether he was aware that a lot of staff at schools were unhappy with the new contract and that there was also very little local produce used? |
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Councillor E. G. Davies, Portfolio Holder replied that he was aware of what Councillor Jones had mentioned and that both matters would be investigated further by himself and the Department. |
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Councillor H. E. Jones requested that the results of such investigation be brought back to the County Council. The Portfolio Holder agreed to such request. |
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Councillor W. J. Chorlton mentioned that the meals menu was for 3 weeks and that the child was obliged to take everything that was on that menu for the week. He asked the Department to address this matter. |
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The Portfolio Holder noted the comments and that the matter would likewise be investigated. |
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Councillor D. R. Hughes stated there were real concerns as to this contract and the staff were unhappy as to the additional administrative burden. He enquired as to whether some cooks had given their notice? |
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The Portfolio Holder understood that there was additional paper work but could not confirm as to whether or not staff had terminated their employment. |
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Councillor C. Ll. Everett enquired as to whether or not officers under requirements of the Constitution had consulted with the Chair of the Council on the call-in procedure, since the Chair had declared an interest and should not have been involved in that decision? |
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Councillor G. O. Parry, MBE in reply stated that at the time there was no requirement for the Chair to declare an interest. |
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Councillor W. J. Chorlton requested that Members should receive written confirmation in this respect. |
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Councillor P. S. Rogers stated that it was well understood that the contract was coming to an end two years ago. The real concerns expressed at today’s meeting should be addressed by the Department. He enquired as to whether or not the number of pupils taking school meals had decreased or gone up? Who was in charge of quality control at the end of the day? |
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The Portfolio Holder in reply stated that he had noted the concerns that had been expressed. They would be investigated and addressed. Data was currently being prepared as to the number of pupils partaking of school meals. |
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The Leader confirmed that the concerns would be investigated and a report brought back to the next Council. As to the declaration of interest by the Chairman, he stated that there was no declaration required at that time. |
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RESOLVED to note the information. |
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(i) Submitted - The report of the Head of Service (Planning) as submitted to the Executive on 19th May, 2008. |
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(ii) Reported - That the Executive upon consideration of the above at its meeting on 19th May, 2008 had resolved as follows:- |
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“To approve the Llangefni Conservation Area Character Appraisal and that the document be submitted to the next full Council for adoption as Supplementary Planning Guidance.” |
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Councillor C.L.Everett mentioned that when these areas were designated for planning permission for a development, a planting programme was usually required. Llangefni have had the same problem as Holyhead where nobody took responsibility for the trees and their maintenance. These trees also posed problems in that they obscured the views of CCTV cameras. Very often it was the Highways Department that looked after these trees, although it was a requirement of the planning permission given at the time to the developer. |
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The Chairman noted the comments made. |
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RESOLVED to endorse the Executive’s decision in this respect and that the document be adopted as Supplementary Planning Guidance. |
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(i) Submitted - A report by the Corporate Director (Education & Leisure). |
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(ii) Reported - That the Executive upon consideration of the above at its meeting on 8th September, 2008 had resolved as follows:- |
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“To approve the contents of the Plan and to recommend to the County Council that it adopts the Plan as a strategic document of the Council’s intentions for the period 2008-2011.” |
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The Portfolio Holder, Councillor E. G. Davies in submitting the report paid tribute to Mr. Byron Williams in that traces of his knowledge and information ran through the body of the document. He had contributed so much towards it’s production. |
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Councillor P. S. Rogers considered that there was a serious omission within the report namely the looking after of children in Council care and the concerns in society when those children fail to attain relevant qualifications. He thought it was a tremendous disadvantage to leave education altogether without any qualification and without any guidance. |
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Councillor R. Ll. Hughes, Portfolio Holder, in reply stated that this matter had arisen at the meeting of the Corporate Parenting Panel the other day. It was pleasing to report that there were very fine educational results for those children under the care of this Authority. Apart from one person out of sixteen, they would all be going on to further education in one form or another. |
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The Corporate Director (Education & Leisure) stated that there was reference within the Plan so as to ensure that these young people fulfilled their full potential, in order to keep them in training or full time education after 16 years of age. The Council would be looking at Hyfforddiant Môn to offer apprenticeships to the most vulnerable of these young people. He was willing to provide Councillor Rogers with a full answer to the points he had raised. |
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RESOLVED to endorse the Executive’s decision in this respect and to thank the Officers for their work. |
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Submitted - A joint report by the Corporate Director (Finance) and the Director of Legal Services / Monitoring Officer on political balance. |
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Reported - That since the election and the County Council meeting on 9th May 2008 there had been changes in the membership of the political groups and the Council now needed to review its political balance arrangements on the Council Committees. |
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Attached to the report were two tables (Table A and Table B) setting out the political balance of Council Committees in accordance with the Local Government and Housing Act, 1989. The tables now showed the four political groups 22, 8, 5 and 4 Members respectively and 1 separate Unaffiliated Member. Differently from the situation on the 9th May the Original Independent Group now had a majority of the Authority’s membership. |
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Table A showed the total number of seats to be allocated as 120 with the number of seats on the Pay & Grading Panel reduced from 6 to 5. If the Council wished to keep the status quo regarding the number of seats on the Pay & Grading Panel then Table A showed the relevant distribution of seats. |
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However, if the Council wished to increase the number of seats on the Pay & Grading Panel so that each group was represented thereon, it was suggested that the number be increased from 5 to 7. If the Council so resolved, then the total number of seats to be allocated would be 122 and Table B would be the document showing the relevant distribution. |
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The figures had been prepared so as to ensure political balance in respect of a “by-committee” basis as well as in total based on the legislative provisions. The Original Independent Group must have a majority on each committee, which in practice gave it more than a proportionate share of the seats. The other political groups should have a proportionate share of the seats - their entitlement was no less now than it was in May. Following these principles as was customary, the balance of seats were available to the unaffiliated members. As a result of the recent changes, the single Unaffiliated Member in fact lost all committee seats if the total number of seats was retained at 120, and received one seat if the total was increased to 122. This was a direct consequence of the legislative provisions, which gave priority to political groups over unaffiliated members. |
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The County Council was reminded that the political balance distribution of seats had to comply with the statutory requirements, unless there was a decision to the contrary taken with no members voting against. |
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Councillor P. S. Rogers stated that there must be an alternative to what was being proposed in that if Option B was adopted today he would only have 1 seat on the Council Committees as opposed to 3 following the May Council meeting. He stated that he would be prepared to set up a ‘Peter Rogers Group’ in order to remedy this injustice. |
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The Corporate Director (Finance) in reply stated that the legislation did not mention Unaffiliated Members but Political Groups. It was not possible to have a Group of one member. When there was no majority Group in the past, the Council had allocated seats to Unaffiliated Members because that was what was left over after the rights of the Groups were allocated throughout. Unaffiliated Members had no rights but the discrimination was in the legislation and not within the Constitution. However, this Council could propose something else without opposition. |
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Councillor Barrie Durkin expressed his concern at such discriminatory legislation, in that an elected member was being prevented from taking part in voting on issues and that could not be right. |
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In order to overcome this injustice to Councillor Peter Rogers, the Leader of the Council proposed that the Council should take a recorded vote on the matter to retain the status quo, i.e. to accept the political balance arrangements as at 9th May, 2008. |
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It was RESOLVED with no members voting against to retain the status quo and proceed in accordance with the political balance arrangements as at 9th May, 2008 (i.e. that Councillor Peter Rogers would retain those 3 seats allocated to him). |
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Reported by the Managing Director - That Section 249 of the Local Government Act, 1972, enabled the County Council to confer the title of Honorary Alderman to persons who had in its opinion rendered eminent services to the Council.The honour was available to past members, but not to those who were still serving members of the Council. At present there was only one serving Alderman. |
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There was currently a will amongst all Groups within the County Council to confer Honorary Alderman status to appropriate individuals, for which purpose there would be need to convene a special meeting of the County Council where any proposals for such honours would require a resolution passed by not less than two thirds of those present at the meeting. A formal civic occasion would follow some weeks afterwards. |
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The County Council was requested to endorse the following criteria as the basis for identifying persons suitable for conferment of the status:- |
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Subject to any change in statutory provision that might require a review, the above criteria will stand for future consideration. |
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Councillor R. G. Parry, OBE enquired as to whether or not those members with over 25 years of service should declare an interest? |
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The Director of Legal Services / Monitoring Officer stated that there was no need to declare such interest. |
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Councillor P. S. Rogers stated that at the present time this country was going through a major economic crisis. This Council was now thinking of putting more costs on the taxpayers of Anglesey to sponsor the attendance of Alderman at Council functions. He proposed that the decision be deferred until the Council had received the views of the people of Ynys Môn. |
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Councillor H. E. Jones agreed with Councillor Rogers’ observations in this respect. There was little reference within the report on the advantages to Anglesey in creating such posts and the costs thereof. He seconded Councillor Rogers’ proposal to defer. |
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The Leader in reply stated this matter had not yet been finalised in that if the Council agreed with the principle, further consideration would be given by the Leaders of the Political Groups, the Chair of the County Council and the Managing Director to take the appropriate decision. However, they would take on board the comments made at today’s meeting. |
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The Chair asked whether the Council were prepared to accept the recommendations contained within the report including the observations put forward by Councillors Rogers and H. E. Jones? A report on the outcome of discussions would be reported back to the Council. |
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RESOLVED |
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Submitted - A report by the Managing Director selling out any changes to the scheme of delegation relating to Executive functions made by the Leader since the last Ordinary and Annual Meeting (Rule 4.4.1.4 of the Executive’s Procedure Rules - Page 134 of the Constitution referred). |
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Councillor C.L.Everett suggested that under the delegated authority with regard to Contract Procedure Rules, local members should be included as part of the consultation process. |
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RESOLVED to note the information contained within the report and that Officers make arrangements to include Local Members as part of the consultation process with regard to any decisions made under the Contract Procedure Rules. |
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(a) Submitted - A copy of the Ombudsman’s Section 16 report in this respect. |
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(b) Submitted - The report of the Corporate Director (Finance) in response to the Ombudsman’s report. |
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Councillor H.E.Jones was of the opinion that unless the culture of the Department was changed then further complaints would follow. Better management and better training was required, Under section 3.2 of the Action Plan, reference was made to staff appraisal systems as a medium term target. He proposed that this should become a short-term target across the Council. |
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(Councillor J.V.Owen wished it to be minuted that he had not taken part in any discussion or voting on this matter). |
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RESOLVED |
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The meeting concluded at 4.25 pm |
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COUNCILLOR ALED MORRIS JONES |
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